Jocko Willink: [00:09:10] Absolutely, and one of the things that we write in the opening of the dichotomy leadership is one of the problems with the book extreme ownership is the title extreme ownership, and the word extreme in the title, because people think, Oh, we're just going to be super extreme with everything. And some people would have a tendency to do that. Because usually the pendulum swings in the other direction, right? It was kind of cool to go fly down to San Diego and hang out with Jocko again. AGE. And I checked them to make sure, and so that was a situation where I allowed no slack whatsoever. I have a bunch more information, which is rather hard to find believe it or not. And the funny thing is I'd have a task unit or I'd have a platoon that would say, We're not learning anything because we're just getting our asses kicked every single time. NO LICENSE. In an episode of his podcast, Willink explained that he developed a habit that could annoy his troops but also serve as a real motivator. Im going to help them. Pursuant to the California Online Privacy Protection Act, we hereby disclose that we do not currently honor do not track signals issued by browsers or other third-party sources. Support Veteran Journalism . One thing though that I hadn't heard before, was bold action becomes rare. Opt-In To Email Lists or Waiting Lists: Well ask for your consent first. I think that's a skill that you have to build over time as well. You want to get the sales guys so good that they maybe could recite that script word for word and then dial it back somehow. You must retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original Content. 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Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:50] The discipline but not rigid dichotomy was really interesting as well because it seems like discipline and rigidity almost go hand in hand. The Commanding Officer of SDVT-1 or SDVT-2 (or his Executive Officer) is in charge of the SDVTU, which consists of one or more SDV or SEAL Platoons. I'm going to do it. See 17 U.S.C. Because I think a lot of us don't really know what bold action even is. Your voice matters YOU are the focus for our team and how we move forward. You know what? But if you've got someone that's overly aggressive, well, then they're doing things that are dumb, they're taking too much risk. So for us it was like, okay, I told the guys, Look, we're going to be in squared away uniforms, so that we can gain a good reputation with the Marine Corps and with the Army who we're working with. Everything on this website, including these Terms & Conditions is copyright Jordan Harbinger LLC, 2019. Jordan Harbinger LLC And as I'd see that I'd say, Oh, it looks like he's doing a great job, which means he's going to die next. Specifically, you have the following rights: To exercise any of these rights, please contact Jen Harbinger at support@jordanharbinger.com with your request. If any provision of these Terms of Use is invalid or unenforceable under applicable law, the remaining provisions will continue in full force and effect, and the invalid or unenforceable provision will be deemed superseded by a valid, enforceable provision that most closely matches the intent of the original provision. Can you tell us what that even means? Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:55] Ugh man! Read More, The path from the rock star to a respectable Special Forces operator was easy for Jason Everman. 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Maybe they'll be making a phone call, Hey, the water main broken, or this pipe broken and we've got a serious problem, we've got a gas leak, whatever. Jocko Willink: [00:33:37] It would be like that. But can discipline be taken too far? You might not know if there was another dominant leader, there are another couple of dominant leaders there, and believe me, if another bleeder stepped up underneath Big Walt, and started making calls, we'd kill that guy eventually and see if there's someone underneath him and if that guy, someone stepped up again, we'd kill that guy because we wanted to as you started off, we wanted everyone on the team to be able to lead, and that's what you need now. One thing that is uniquely constant is the Jolly Roger pirate patch warn by the SEALs. We are located in the United States. Task Unit Bruiser was one of the most famous Task Units in history. The unit was deployed to the Iraqi town of Ramadi in 2006 during Operation Iraq So if you're planning a mission and you have to go execute this mission and the weather, so you're going to take helicopters to go hit a target somewhere, and the weather turns out bad, and the helicopters can't fly and you go, Hey, that's not my fault because the weather was bad and I can't control the weather, and everyone will agree that we can't control the weather. I wanted everything to go really well. Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:31] I think that's true. Nothing contained on the Website should be understood as granting you a license to use any of the trademarks, service marks, or logos owned by Company or by any third party. Yes, you should. Jocko Willink: [00:06:55] And on top of that, there's some little random things that occasionally you'll have a certain, because they get reviewed by a team of individuals, right? YOU ASSUME THE RISK OF ANY AND ALL DAMAGE OR LOSS FROM USE OF, OR INABILITY TO USE, THE WEBSITE OR THE SERVICE. Jocko Willink: [00:02:08] I don't know. You might have to be quieter. So that's why decentralized command is important because when you have people on the front lines that can't make decisions on their own, that can't decide to shut off the main water valve that can't decide to adjust pricing, that can decide to skip some part in the manufacturing process because we're going to catch it in the backside, because we need to get this done right now. There's a lot of chaos and mayhem. I dig that too. I just cooked some of the best shrimp. James Clark is the Deputy Editor of Task & Purpose and has been with the publication since 2015. A complete statement of Companys current privacy policy can be found by clicking the privacy link at the bottom of the page or otherwise located in the Websites navigation. USE OF SOFTWARE. The salaries of Navy Seals in the US range from $15,929 to $424,998 , with a median salary of $76,394 . We keep your personal data for different periods of time depending on the reason it was gathered in the first place. I'm really busy these days. The problem with that mindset is that you cannot make up for lost time when it comes to relationships. It's coming tonight. Tactical, Survival & EDC Gear Partner with SOFREP Follow Us A former Navy SEAL commander explains the surprising way he trained his troops to respond to And so each chapter is kind of a standalone, and it's similar to Extreme Ownership in that it has, like it starts off with bullets or something like that, generally combat, and then, or simulated combat and then a business principle and then a business story that goes into it. It's not just sales, you can see in any business where there is so much discipline put them and obviously I am a fan of discipline, right? He was the first SEAL to lose his life in Operation Iraqi Freedom when he was killed in a fierce This book has great stories that you can really feel. We promise to only send you awesome stuff. Lessons/Courses/Products: To send you lessons, courses or products in which you are interested. This run, it's going to be moderate. SEAL Team 6, officially known as United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), and Delta Force, officially known as 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D), are the most highly trained elite forces in the US military. And of course, I don't want to call it paranoid, but yeah, I'll call it paranoid. And that's mostly what it is, some little item that we know for a fact is, I mean we could literally Google the things that were removed from the book, which is again, it's really minor, removed from the book and I could say, Oh, this got removed from the book. I'm not going to do that because--. Some of those things are really, really important, some of them aren't important at all. 2006. Let's add a dash of that. So I feel like most of my life I'm eating Blue Apron or Blue Apron derived meals, and I'm totally cool with it. I especially wanted to bring attention to that insane shootout on that cursed rooftop. Sharpening your skills, understanding more about the world around you, that's what's so great about The Great Courses Plus. Do you lose any of that, because I feel like you're still kind of doing a lot of the same stuff probably that you were doing before? Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:16] Yeah. Famous veterans have served in the military and achieved notable success or recognition in other fields. In 2006, the platoon deployed to Ramadi, a festering hotbed of insurgent activity. You're writing the script because it's a good way. [00:19:41] This episode is sponsored in part by Glip by RingCentral. He was enlisted with SEAL Team ONE and SEAL Team TWO. Tell them where they can get the Blue Apes. We love -- we've been using this stuff for years. Sign up for a free Glip account, free unlimited access to team messaging, task management, file sharing and more visit glip.com/jordan to get started. We're going to do our best to contain this water, but we're not going to shut them down. I'm a good person. Yes, you can. SEAL Task Unit Bruiser commander Jocko Willink returns to the show to talk about his new book (co-authored with Leif Babin), The Dichotomy of Leadership: Balancing the Challenges of Extreme Ownership to Lead and Win. Jocko Willink: [00:30:48] It was actually a Mad Max quote. I would listen to them, I would listen to them. Company reserves the right to amend these Terms at any time. Look, you can get some great tools to train your brain to think differently, helping you work better as an individual and as part of a team. But they trust you, they value and seek your opinion and guidance and they give you what you need to accomplish the mission and then let you go execute that and we'll throw that in a worksheet for people who are listening. Well, depending on the reaction that you get, you're going to have to modulate that one way or the other. There's things that you have to do as a leader to modulate the way you communicate with other people. And that doesn't mean you get away with it all the time. I want you to wear those. That's how you get people to take bold action eventually is you let them take small actions and when they take small actions, you praise them for it. Most notable of these three, . And you tell me to do something that doesn't make much sense. I recommend checking out the hidden factor of why thinking differently is your greatest asset. 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WebFamous veterans have served in the military and achieved notable success or recognition in other fields. You shall not use the Website for any illegal purposes, and you will use it in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. Jocko Willink: [00:49:40] Well that's one thing, but decentralized command, when you start, the other thing that you usually see, the problem with decentralized command that you usually see is someone is trying to control all the decision making. They've got a project that they're going to run and we want to make them happy. Everything's measured out, everything sent to you. If you disable this cookie, we will not be able to save your preferences. Jocko Willink: [00:43:32] Yep, it's going to be nonfunctional. 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I was just reading book about the front lines of World War I again where you're getting massive bombardment from artillery and mortars and those guys had even shorter periods of times where if they didn't get off the front line, they were going to break mentally. That's what we're trying to do. 3 SEAL (SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team), SDV 3, 10 Task Unit Bruiser NASA 22 SEAL Task Unit Bruiser(3 C D ). It's a little thing. Like, this is what I want my boss to think of me. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE CAREFULLY READ THIS DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A RELEASE OF LIABILITY. Campbell, CA 95008-2357 And I assume you see that a lot because it's an entire chapter in the book. [00:47:56] But if Big Walt gets killed, Okay, now I'll step up. So occasionally I wouldn't know, or actually, I wouldn't know if there was a really dominant leader. This group did some work. Jordan Harbinger: [00:36:28] It's got to be a tough calculation, especially because similar to firing anybody from a career, if you get rid of somebody from a team, they don't just go to another one, right? If you work on a team, you can get better faster team collaboration for free, superior team messaging without limitations. It's going to shut off the water to the whole block, or it's going to shut off the gas of the whole block, its going to a disruption here to the residents in this area or whatever. But they won't take that bold action because they haven't been trained, they haven't lived in a culture where taking bold action is rewarded even by taking minor action is rewarded. Jocko Willink: [00:59:10] Yeah. These things are delicious. Why is it falling through the cracks? It is your responsibility to check regularly to determine whether the Terms of Use have been changed. We'll make it happen. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason DeFillippo. 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